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Net Neutrality

fschmidt
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The proposal to kill net neutrality has convinced me that the current American Right are the biggest bunch morons the world has ever seen.  I now prefer both Obama and Clinton (either one) to Trump.  Killing net neutrality would be the end of free speech and worst legislation ever to pass in American history.  Yet no one on the Right seems to care.
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Allen
As I said, I don't have the knowledge to comment on the issue. Here is Weev's take on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B03eByZia5I
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fschmidt
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He seems to trouble getting to the point, so maybe you can summarize what he says.  I heard the beginning and starts basically by saying that Google is bad and Google supports net neutrality, so net neutrality is bad.  Using this logic, one can argue that Google is bad and Google supports not blowing up planet Earth, so not blowing up planet Earth is bad.  And I think this analogy is fairly sound.
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Peter
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this guy is a conspiracy wind bag but the main point hes getting to is that he claims Net Neutrality does not mean a free choice of ISPs(as ISP companies already has monopoly due to regulation) and certainly not free speech and content but because of the cost of bandwidth and "peering" which benefits big companies like Google because they can have special "lanes" in "peering" without regulation.
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fschmidt
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So which side is he on, for or against net neutrality?
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Peter
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against, because he claims that net neutrality has nothing to do with free speech but the cost of bandwidth. ISPs don't regulate content, its the social media and internet giants.
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Allen
As I (mis)understand it, net neutrality is about  big companies being allowed equal distribution of services for the same price. So if an ISP has a video streaming service, they would have to allow YouTube etc. to transmit videos at the same speed for the same price, regardless of the cost to the ISP. It has nothing to do with free speech, which no-one gives a shit about.
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fschmidt
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Google's reason for supporting net neutrality has nothing to do with free speech, obviously.  But loss of net neutrality means not just charging more for YouTube.  It also means censorship because it really is very easy to censor content once you start discriminating by packet.  Of course those against net neutrality will deny this, but they are wrong.  Without net neutrality, ISPs can choose what content they want to deliver whether by content type or by content political correctness.

I should add that the whole arguments that ISPs are being forced to deliver high volume content for free is just bullshit.  If an ISP wants to limit total content delivered to a home per month or whatever, they can do this now.  This does not violate net neutrality.
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Allen
My impression was that net neutrality has nothing to do with freedom of speech. ISPs can censor that now subject to local regulation.
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fschmidt
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Allen wrote
My impression was that net neutrality has nothing to do with freedom of speech. ISPs can censor that now subject to local regulation.
This is simply wrong.  Right now, ISPs can't legally censor anything - because of net neutrality.
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Peter
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ISP care for content? My impression is that it’s the internet companies do, not the ISPs. Bandwidth and censorship are two separate things. “Censoring” traffic would mean refusing paying customers service which makes no sense
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fschmidt
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Peter wrote
ISP care for content? My impression is that it’s the internet companies do, not the ISPs. Bandwidth and censorship are two separate things. “Censoring” traffic would mean refusing paying customers service which makes no sense
Every single thing you said here is wrong.  Anyway, there is no point in me arguing.  America will soon get the internet that it deserves.  And hopefully I will move to another country.
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Peter
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Where would you go?
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fschmidt
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I don't have to worry about that yet.