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No Tattoos

fschmidt
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Leviticus 19:28 tells us not to have tattoos.  In order to determine if this applies today, we need understand why this was commanded and if this reasoning still applies today.  So let's consider this commandment in context:

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You are not to eat anything with blood in it. You are not to practice divination or sorcery. You are not to cut off the hair at the sides of your head or mar the edge of your beard. You are not to make gashes on your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves; I am Yehovah.
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Leviticus 19:26-28

Here we see a list of prohibitions.  What do they have in common?  All of the things prohibited were common customs of the neighboring corrupt peoples/tribes.  There is nothing obviously sinful about cutting off the hair at the sides of your head.  But at a time when sinful cultures did this, if you also did this then you would be identifying with sinful culture which isn't a good thing.  So God had a good reason for these commands at that time.  Cutting off the hair at the sides of your head, marring the edge of your beard, and making gashes on your bodies for the dead are no longer associated with sinful cultures, so the reasoning no longer applies.  But what about tattoo marks?  Just looking at the world around me, I conclude that tattoo marks are associated with the sinful modern liberal culture of our time.  So here the logic still seems to apply.

There is a fascinating museum in Xalapa, Mexico that contains artifacts of the various people who lived in the area.  What makes it fascinating is that it is all organized in one long hall where everything is sorted chronologically.  So by walking down the hall through the museum, you are walking through time.  You can watch how the style of each culture changes as the culture rises and falls.  As each culture rises, you see more and more accurate portrayals of the natural human form.  And as each culture falls, it begins to distort the natural human forum in many ways including images on the body, various piercings and body rings, and other grotesque things.  I believe this can be explained with the principles that I discussed in Human Evolution.  These distortions were probably signs of immorality used by men to attract women who naturally prefer immoral men in a promiscuous culture.  In particular, tattoos are only found historically in primitive cultures and declining culture, which again makes sense if tattoos are a sign of immorality.

In our culture, tattoos were socially unacceptable until quite recently.  In the past, only outlaw types got tattoos which showed a kind of immoral daring.  In these immoral days, 40% of Americans ages 26 to 40 have a tattoo.  This increase in tattoo usage perfectly matches the decline of modern culture.  In this case, I think the tattoo is an effect, not a cause.  But the key point here is that the reason that God prohibited tattoos in Leviticus applies just as much today as it did then.  If you have a tattoo, you are publicly announcing that you are part of a sinful culture.
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Re: What is Biblic Judaism?

Ariel
I thought the torah stated the same for tatoos as it did for cutting the skin and/or for shaving ones head.  As I have read these passages, I understood them as a prohibition not to do those acts as acts of mourning the dead vs. doing them as a lifestyle choice.... I didnt understand that the torah was specifically directly us not to do those things, but rather, not to do them to mourn the dead....

Am I missing something?
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Re: What is Biblic Judaism?

fschmidt
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I hope you don't mind that I moved your post to this thread where it seems more relevant.

Ariel wrote
I thought the torah stated the same for tatoos as it did for cutting the skin and/or for shaving ones head.  As I have read these passages, I understood them as a prohibition not to do those acts as acts of mourning the dead vs. doing them as a lifestyle choice.... I didnt understand that the torah was specifically directly us not to do those things, but rather, not to do them to mourn the dead....

Am I missing something?
Here is the reference again:

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You are not to eat anything with blood in it. You are not to practice divination or sorcery. You are not to cut off the hair at the sides of your head or mar the edge of your beard. You are not to make gashes on your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves; I am Yehovah.
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Leviticus 19:26-28

Where do you get the idea that these are about mourning the dead?  To my knowledge, the things mentioned here were pagan practices, but I can look more into it if you want.
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Re: No Tattoos

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Re: What is Biblic Judaism?

Peter
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I heard in ancient times the Huns scar there faces while they mourn their dead by slicing their cheeks open, so blood and tears can flow together
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Re: What is Biblic Judaism?

qwerty
Is there a particular reason why "No Tattoos" is one of the four major rules of Mikraite? It seems like a minor rule to me and one that should not be considered as important as the others.

Also, what about people that already have tattoos before joining Mikraite? Should they try to get them removed or simply not get anymore tattoos? I don't have any tattoos, but am asking hypothetically.
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Re: What is Biblic Judaism?

fschmidt
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I see tattoos as the most obvious symbol of modern culture.  Modern culture chose this symbol because it was previously associated with immoral people.  So accepting people with tattoos into our religion would be like an Orthodox synagogue allowing someone to convert to Judaism who always wears a Nazi armband.

People that already have tattoos should have them removed before joining us.
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Re: 6. No Tattoos

Ruryse
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I think tattoos, piercings and the likes are good signs of the expression of belonging to the majority. Even though a relatively recent study denies any significant correlation between general intelligence and tattoos (http://www.sciencepublishinggroup.com/journal/paperinfo?journalid=201&doi=10.11648/j.pbs.20150404.14), we know how such quick studies can be coined up when support of certain manipulative/monetary interests dictate so.

I have theorized (and supported with some research thanks to Eysenck) that introversion is a sign of a relatively higher intelligence: http://www.intelligentpeopleforum.com/threads/high-intelligence-and-introversion-do-they-go-hand-in-hand.5/

I consider tattoos to be an indication of greater social comfort, where the individual is content with putting sexual availability on a rather clear display (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-013-0104-2). Such a comfort comes naturally for the extravert, i.e. the person who feels comfortable within the majority of society, because they together occupy the center of the bell curve (they are average).
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