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Who to blame for modern culture

fschmidt
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The walking brainstems who pass for people today certainly can't be blamed for anything.  They are the product of modern culture, not the cause of it.  We need to look back to people with brains for the cause.

Boomers were intelligent and well-intentioned but they were ignorant of religion and history and they had inherited a dysfunctional political system that included women's suffrage.  Because of their ignorance, it was inevitable that all their conclusions would be wrong.  So they can't be blamed.  Who caused the destruction of education and the political system?

The Third Great Awakening produced the first social justice warriors of western culture.  These lunatics promoted women's suffrage and attacked prostitution and evolution.  Prostitution is needed to protect female chastity and attacking evolution undermined the eugenics movement which was needed to prevent dysgenic decay.  They were also complicit with the destruction of traditional western education as promoted by evil intellectuals.  The full effect of this horrible movement can be seen in the 1920s.  What caused all this?  This was the result of modern Christianity which is an evil perversion of traditional Christianity.  So I can't really blame these people, the blame lies with modern Christianity itself.

Where did modern Christianity come from?  It came from the Second Great Awakening.  A key player was Charles Finney as I described here.  This movement killed the Enlightenment and made Christianity an enemy of science.  It also destroyed the traditional historical understanding of Christianity and encouraged religious ignorance.  So here is where the blame really lies.  But there remains the question of what allowed such a horrible change to happen to Christianity in the first place.

So now I will extend the blame to Luther.  The key good figures in the Reformation are Zwingli and Calvin.  Luther was the bad guy and almost everything he said was bad.  In particular his idea that we are all consecrated priests through Baptism meant that ignoramuses like Finney who lacked any serious religious education could be taken seriously.  For more on the Reformation I recommend reading A Reformation Reader: Primary Texts With Introductions.

Cultures depend on their founding religion.  Western culture depended on the Reformation which effectively died with the Second Great Awakening.  At that point, it was only a matter of time before the culture would degenerate into the collection of evil morons that it is today.
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Christianity is idolatry and blasphemy.

It is the idolatry of worshiping an executed blasphemer as the co-equal of the God of Israel who is also Allah.  

Christianity is also the weakest link since it let in liberalism, and liberalism means nothing more in the 21st century than sexual liberation from the rules of marriage and good parenting.  

The West is therefore now a matriarchy - a society prioritising the preferences of unmarried parents who casually conceived and parented their illegitimate offspring.

Any healthy, rational and moral society would be a patriarchy - a society prioritising the preferences of married parents who want to properly parent their legitimate offspring.  

Quite simply, patriarchy is eugenic and matriarchy dysgenic.

Actually, only the Torah and the Koran are claimed to be from God.

In any conflict between a patriarchy and a matriarchy, the former will always triumph.

Patriarchy is a society that at least trying to be guided by Truth, Logic and Morality while a matriarchy just wallows in lies, nonsense and immorality.

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There is probably no God and Claire Khaw is his prophet.
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A Hypothetical Supreme Authority certainly exists and Claire Khaw is its proponent.
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I don't think scripture needs to be perfect to work.  If a scripture is 90% right, that should be enough to produce a decent society.

I think the main problem with Christianity is the Trinity.  This is borderline polytheism.  The Trinity works if they can keep it as a unified whole, but breaks when the 3 split apart.  This basically happened with American Protestantism.

Of course religions can have other problems.  Muslims are far from ideal right now, and I don't think the problem is intrinsic to Islam but is rather the result of other factors.  So all this is complicated.
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Jews were made God’s Chosen People to be light unto nations lighting the way of gentiles towards Islam and away from the idolatry and blasphemy of Christianity. Christianity is idolatry because it worships a man. It is also blasphemy because it worships a man convicted of blasphemy then crucified for it.

If only Orthodox rabbis would rank the four gentile religions according to their conformity with the Noahide laws with Islam the most and Christianity the least Noahide. Once this is done, Westerners will be closer to renouncing nearly 2000 years of idolatry and blasphemy.

If God exists, Christianity would be cursed by God because of its idolatry and blasphemy. He would also be disappointed with Jews and Muslims for not challenging the idolatry and blasphemy of Christianity. Fortunately, it is not too late to do so jointly so Christians understand as soon as possible that idolatry and blasphemy has been forbidden by God and that they are outnumbered and outgunned.
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Does anyone actually have a cogent explanation of the trinity that they take seriously?
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The problem with Christianity is its idolatry and blasphemy, if you care about this sort of thing. You would only care about that sort of thing if you took the prohibition against the Ten Commandments seriously. But why wouldn't you take the Ten Commandments seriously if you have incorporated it into your Christian Bible?  

If you took the Ten Commandments seriously, you would see that they forbid amongst other things idolatry and blasphemy.  

If idolatry is the worship of anything that isn't God, how is Jesus God, as the Doctrine of the Trinity requires Christians to believe? To this we have had no satisfactory answer.

If Christianity is indeed idolatry and blasphemy, then God would curse Christians for their idolatry and blasphemy, if He exists.  

If God does not exist, what would be the harm of idolatry and blasphemy?

The harm of idolatry, I would suggest, is the opportunity of being rightly guided by the Koran.
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The Council of Nicaea was divided between Arians and Trinitarians with Constantine on the side of the Arians who believed Jesus was divine but not of co-equal status with the Abrahamic God who created the Universe.  

The Trinitarians felt it necessary to make Jesus the co-equal of the God of Israel who is also Allah, presumably in anticipation of theological arguments with Jews who would claim that the God of Israel who created the Universe was obviously more powerful than the crucified Christ convicted of blasphemy.

It was not until 380 that the Edict of Thessalonica declared that only Trinitarian Christianity would be allowed. Since the Trinitarian Catholic, Anglican and Orthodox Church are the most powerful churches in the world, it could be argued that the Trinity has worked up to a point.

However, since Christendom has been widely reported to have been superseded by liberalism, Christianity is arguably extinct.

The only people who have the right to call themselves Christian are those who have undergone a confirmation ceremony or credal baptism. Infant baptism does not count because the infant cannot reasonably be said to have understood the nature and purpose of its baptism. However, the numbers of these Christians have shrunk so significantly that the figures are not easily obtainable. One suspects the percentage must be less than 10% of the total adult population.  

In any case, no theologian will be able to agree on what Christian principles are other than of worshiping an executed blasphemer as the co-equal of the God of Israel who is also Allah.  

What should be taken seriously is the possibility of God's existence and how angry He must be with Christians and Post-Christians for the flouting of His Commandments.  
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The Council of Nicaea was divided between Arians and Trinitarians with Constantine on the side of the Arians who believed Jesus was divine but not of co-equal status with the Abrahamic God who created the Universe.  

The Trinitarians felt it necessary to make Jesus the co-equal of the God of Israel who is also Allah, presumably in anticipation of theological arguments with Jews who would claim that the God of Israel who created the Universe was obviously more powerful than the crucified Christ convicted of blasphemy.

It was not until 380 that the Edict of Thessalonica declared that only Trinitarian Christianity would be allowed. Since the Trinitarian Catholic, Anglican and Orthodox Church are the most powerful churches in the world, it could be argued that the Trinity has worked up to a point.

However, since Christendom has been widely reported to have been superseded by liberalism, Christianity is arguably extinct.

The only people who have the right to call themselves Christian are those who have undergone a confirmation ceremony or credal baptism. Infant baptism does not count because the infant cannot reasonably be said to have understood the nature and purpose of its baptism. However, the numbers of these Christians have shrunk so significantly that the figures are not easily obtainable. One suspects the percentage must be less than 10% of the total adult population.  

In any case, no theologian will be able to agree on what Christian principles are other than of worshiping an executed blasphemer as the co-equal of the God of Israel who is also Allah.  

What should be taken seriously is the possibility of God's existence and how angry He must be with Christians and Post-Christians for the flouting of His Commandments.  
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Allen
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The contrary to the Arian heresy is to believe that Jesus was a human incarnation of the Creator God of some sort, which doesn't require any kind of Trinitarian belief. Infant baptism is simply the parents and other community members affirming the child will be raised a Christian which the child can reaffirm or not in later life, just like a lot of decisions parents make for children.
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To believe Jesus is alive is to believe he is immortal.

To believe he is immortal is to believe he is divine.

To believe he is divine is to be guilty of idolatry.  
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Allen
No, you can just believe that the Creator God is immortal and divine and that Jesus was a human incarnation of Him.
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That would be idolatry!
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R.C. Christian
Modern rationalism and ancient symbolic thinking don't mix well.
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Allen
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Idolatry is the worship of man made things. Christians worship the one Creator God, who happened to incarnate as a particular man on at least one occasion. No idolatry there.
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Christians worship a man, and a man is not God.

Idolatry is the worship of anything that isn't God.
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When you say "ancient symbolic thinking", do you mean the Trinity?
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