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Allen
No, Christians worship God, who took the form of a man on at least on occasion. It should be easy to see the difference.
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The Jewish view of God is that He never takes a physical or material form. If you ever think He does, you are guilty of idolatry. Christians have difficulty understanding this either because they really cannot, or pretend not to.
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God appears to take material form in parts of the Old Testament and no-one cares what some evil hand-rubbing grabblers think anyway. Modern Judaism is clearly Satanic.
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The New Testament is not written by Jesus, let alone God. It is not claimed by Christians to be from God either since obviously Matthew, Mark, Luke, John etc are not God.  

The Torah and the Koran are believed to be the actual Word of God while the New Testament is only the word of mortal and fallible men testifying that they met an executed blasphemer Christians have been worshiping as the co-equal of the God of Israel who is also Allah for nearly 2000 years.  

In an honest and rational world, the Word of God trumps the word of mortal and fallible men.

Even if we are not sure if God exists, that which is believed to be the Word of God should still trump the word of mortal and fallible men.  

Even if all scripture claimed to be from God were in fact written by man, the one with the superior narrative and claim should trump the scripture of low status origins testifying to something that is morally and intellectually indefensible: that Jesus is the co-equal of the God of Israel who is also Allah.  

Let's face it, if God exists, He would curse Christians for their blasphemy and also Jews and Muslims who have not in any way challenged the idolatry and blasphemy of Christianity. While Jews may be excused for not thinking it is their place to deny the divinity of Jesus which would amount to blasphemy in Christendom, what about Muslims in their own Muslim homelands? When did Muslim ever obey https://quran.com/18/4 in their entire history of 1400 years?
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It seems you are unaware that Orthodox Jews regard Reform Jews as heretics.  
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Since Muslims believe in an afterlife and that Jesus was a prophet of God, I believe the correct position to take is that deceased prophets are in heaven but still deceased because they have always been mortal.  
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To be mortal is to be subject to death.  

It is theoretically possible to be dead but in heaven, is it not?  

The afterlife is about being either in heaven or hell. Some Jews also believe in reincarnation.

Which verse in the Koran says Jesus is coming back?
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The purpose of Orthodox Jews is simply to breed fast enough to replenish the ranks of liberal Jews to enable them to continue inflicting their evil on the world. All the ills of modernity - liberalism, feminism, mass immigration, pornography, sexual perversions etc. are heavily and openly promoted by the Jewish establishment. Do Jews even deny they are a cancer on society? They seem to be proud of it. They are also the ultimate idolaters in that they put the words of rabbis ahead of the word of God. I don't know why anyone would seriously defend them.
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The purpose of Jews is to remind us that Christians have been worshiping a Jew for 2000 years.
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Once again, Christians worship the Creator God who was incarnated as a man. Whether Jesus was a typical Jew or whether Jews of the time bear any relationship to the grabblers of today is debatable, but it doesn't really matter. If you follow the invention and progression of Judaism in the Bible, it is clear that the purpose of the Israelites was to incubate Christianity.
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Christians just don't get idolatry, do they?

You must be Christian.  
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umit wrote
Why would you think that? doesn't that go against all logic?
If God is omnipotent, if God created everything, then what excuse would there be to make the scripture only 90% right?
Scripture is recorded by people.  People have free will with an infinite capacity to screw things up.  Therefore even if God creates a perfect scripture, it is very likely that people would partially screw it up in recording and maintaining it.

Why would we settle with a scripture that contains 10% errors in it?
Here are my estimates of how misguided current groups are:  Modern culture (including most Christians) 90% in error.  Jews 80% in error.  Muslims 60% in error.  Traditional Anabaptists 40% in error.  And that is the best group.  So correctly following a scripture that is only 10% in error would be a vast improvement over any current group.

I do not know about you guys but personally, I would not follow any scripture with any obvious errors in it.
Even with some errors, the core underlying messages of the scripture are not lost.  The key point is that following any scripture, even a perfect scripture, requires critical thinking in order to understand that scripture and apply it to current conditions.  Without critical thinking, the result will inevitably be nonsense.  I think Sufism is an example of this.  (I agree with the Salafi criticisms of Sufism.)  If one has critical thinking then one can navigate around any small errors in a scripture without losing the core principles of the scripture.
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R.C. Christian
What's Anabaptists' general opinion on Jews?
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umit wrote
Scriptures should have Gods signature by being perfect and flawless.
As soon as there are flaws or contradictions in it, they also become worthless.
Every scripture is God's scripture, with every flaw and contradiction.

"Oh, the depth of the riches, both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!" – Romans 11:33
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Only the Torah and Koran are claimed to be from God.
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